tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post2317769299598606459..comments2023-05-16T11:33:40.343-04:00Comments on Dialogues On Global Warming: Arctic Sea Ice Minimum MaximumTales From The Travelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12155749992445168195noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-65831733260965117502015-06-07T21:18:12.234-04:002015-06-07T21:18:12.234-04:00I'm sorry that .8C would be the 100 year avera...I'm sorry that .8C would be the 100 year average increase, not over the last 30 years as you suggest. Basic stuff. And as for temperature anomolies and natural disasters, I'm not sure why you're playing that tired card again? Maybe you like spewing nonsense? "Natural...arrow pointing at that word...disasters?" Please tell me time when we did not have these? As for California, there is a warm blob off the west coast which has been persistent and it has been observed many times before through the record. Nothing new there and notice it does not create a run away warming effect globally, again, natural variability. We all know this. But you would use it to make your point. Tisk, tisk. And if you're looking for a reason prices are inflating here in North America, you need only look as far as the federal reserve. Inflation is baked into your currency, because yours and mine are debt based economies, without debt there can be no creation of money. Each dollar created in America costs the american public and so it is not statistically possible to eradicate debt. Ever. Unless the Fed is eradicated. Check your history books. Also you might want to venture into economics before making false attributions. Aren't you even concerned at how wrong you are about nearly everything?owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-86464866343520182302015-06-07T19:51:02.181-04:002015-06-07T19:51:02.181-04:00Nice, hide behind the conspiracy flyer. Dismiss ev...Nice, hide behind the conspiracy flyer. Dismiss everything else, why not? I've watched you bully commenter after commenter for months. When you run into an argument you can't win, you find a way to excuse yourself. How many times have you used a climate anomaly to reinforce your inflated Co2 forcing claim? You know very well these arguments are void as soon as you spit them out. But spit them out you will. I want everyone who visits your site to know your methods. Over the last several months I've gathered enough wind to realize how rediculous this fear campaign is, and I'm not the only one. It says something that Anthony Watts is the number one blog on this topic. You are a very small, irrelevant voice, antiquated silly voice. And you are beyond reason or real science. Good luck with that ;)owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-74632077080847168402015-06-07T19:37:14.376-04:002015-06-07T19:37:14.376-04:00You have entered into the realm of being a troll. ...You have entered into the realm of being a troll. If you have something valuable to add to the conversation, I'll be glad to hear it. But, nonsense about the Club of Rome or any other conspiracy theory based on the rejection of science, data, and reality has no place here.Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-65609297096363114012015-06-07T19:00:20.806-04:002015-06-07T19:00:20.806-04:00Yes, thank you. I read that artical. It will be go...Yes, thank you. I read that artical. It will be good policy for heads of state to petition the UN for relief capital. Now it seems they will have a large fund to tap into. And for those who are not aware...nations routinely aid each other during crisis. A centralized governing body need not exist for this purpose. Of course it doesn't exist for that purpose exactly, does it? Still, please do a historical comparison before you write stupid things. You just make yourself look a mess. Lol.owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-17826249174000628062015-06-07T18:41:48.352-04:002015-06-07T18:41:48.352-04:00Your legs are long since chopped, there is no cata...Your legs are long since chopped, there is no catastrophy, so you have been bleating for nothing. Please stop. As for rational, I'm not the one who needs to wake up. All your assertions have fallen, the last of these is to come in the form of a peer reviewed paper on the fundamental math. You may want to revisit it yourself to save yourself some embarrassment. Soon you will be forced to content with the notion that you were just a useful tool, and those elites you were so afraid of exist on both sides of the political spectrum. Or did you think all billionaires were Conservative? Anything that happens policy wise to fight Co2 forcing is just a sham. I don't see you fighting as hard as you did months ago, I suspect you know what I'm talking about. Don't be so proud Christopher, you've been duped.owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-23157504475094874762015-06-07T18:33:07.651-04:002015-06-07T18:33:07.651-04:00No, Christopher you have reject both the science a...No, Christopher you have reject both the science and logic. You are the denier my friend. And your question is not the correct one. A better question is, should we abondon real environmentalism for this witch hunt, spend trillions on policy that solves no problem, or should we be sensible in our policy and spending?That money could actually do some good if it isn't in the hands of fools.owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-53431658385064748642015-06-07T18:29:28.268-04:002015-06-07T18:29:28.268-04:00http://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.com/2015/...http://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.com/2015/05/1100-dead-prove-tom-harris-is-wrong.html<br /><br /><br />Other than that, I read your comment and I thought, WTF????<br /><br /><br />Did you honestly think you were going to 'chop my legs off' with statements like this? Please try to stick to the world of the rational.Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-41629724095691746572015-06-07T18:26:37.496-04:002015-06-07T18:26:37.496-04:00Well, you've already rejected science, so that...Well, you've already rejected science, so that would take away all of my proof. But, that isn't the question, is it? The question is, should we be so engaged in destroying our environment and lowering the standard of living for billions of people, all for the sake of a few billionaires?Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-49357431983958676802015-06-07T18:19:22.678-04:002015-06-07T18:19:22.678-04:00Please convince me that a cold planet is safer tha...Please convince me that a cold planet is safer than a hotter planet. That should be funowen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-82366266498331481692015-06-07T18:17:31.954-04:002015-06-07T18:17:31.954-04:00Wow, you like to shoot for the moon. First, I'...Wow, you like to shoot for the moon. First, I've been to India, experienced 50C and higher temps, I must have had a dozen cold showers a day, watched a lot of cricket. India has a history of heat waves...a looooong history of heat waves. Please compare these heat waves with the historical record. How stupid is your comment, to drum up sympathy for your pathetic argument. I'm very sorry for those who have lost their lives, but it does not prove your point in the slightest, because as you enjoy pointing out, whether is not climate and regional anomalies do not constitute a trend line. You pleasure yourself with the notion that all whether related deaths are caused by an effect which has not been observed to be dangerous to life. But let's play with this stupid idea, but flip it over: let's say that the slight warming caused by Co2 forcing has slightly decreased the probability that we are headed into another full scale ice age? How many would die then? We have just resolved that science does not have the instrumentation in play to make a concrete claim to climate. So why can't the cooling argument work as well as your foolish claims? Again we have to employ logic.owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-37672540389191049642015-06-07T17:52:12.333-04:002015-06-07T17:52:12.333-04:00Really? No peril? I will point out the 2500 dead i...Really? No peril? I will point out the 2500 dead in India (not to mention those that have suffered but are still alive) due to a heat wave caused by manmade global warming. Convince them there is no peril.Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-27442195098936092122015-06-07T17:50:14.214-04:002015-06-07T17:50:14.214-04:00And? The warming we have "observed" does...And? The warming we have "observed" does not deviate from the long term trend line. Our observations may fault in either direction. I make no assumption here, do you? You're shouting to anyone who will listen, " help yourselves! We are in peril do to Co2 forcing!" But no peril has been observed. So what about your argument is at all important? Logicowen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-73173785488770576972015-06-07T17:46:44.051-04:002015-06-07T17:46:44.051-04:00Are you drunk when you type these?
Your argument...Are you drunk when you type these? <br /><br />Your argument is similar to saying we can't use any astronomical data before Hubble because Hubble was so much better. And, yes, you will find if you revisit the data there is an overwhelming amount of evidence the planet has experienced about .8 C of warming over the last few decades. I am waiting for a peer-reviewed paper that shows there is no global warming or climate change. Logic. And, do you really think this is about me? What about the 97% of all climate scientists that are convince manmade climate change is real? Again, logic.Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-13228980966941038332015-06-07T17:41:09.233-04:002015-06-07T17:41:09.233-04:00Actually, the temperature rise has been .8 C and, ...Actually, the temperature rise has been .8 C and, yes, it does follow the trend line (another denier falsehood shot down). Why should we care? Ask the people in California that are suffering from the drought due to climate change. Ask the 2500 (and counting) dead people in India that are being hammered by a heat wave due to climate change. Ask the people in the Philippines that are being hit with one super-typhoon after another due to climate change. Ask the one-in-six species that is going extinct due to climate change. Ask the poor people all over the world that are suffering due to climate change. Better yet, why not ask you? Check your food bill, your insurance bill, your utility bill - just for starters. You really don't mind your cost of living is going up while your standard of living is going down? To clue you in - I do and so do a lot of other people.Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-44550033219927916072015-06-07T17:36:42.229-04:002015-06-07T17:36:42.229-04:00OMG! Another Club of Rome person. Did you ever thi...OMG! Another Club of Rome person. Did you ever think to spend as much time on reality as you do conspiracy plots?Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-23671709847740284532015-06-07T17:33:41.633-04:002015-06-07T17:33:41.633-04:00Is that truly a demonstration of your logic? And, ...Is that truly a demonstration of your logic? And, you were willing to put it into print? Answer one question, (it's rhetorical), why can't there be MORE warming than the amount of cooling? In other words, why can't we have the situation where the amount of natural cooling is LESS than the amount of warming due to manmade greenhouse gases? In case you haven't figured it out, that is exactly what is happening. There is more warming than the natural cooling - hence, a warming planet. Logic.Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-69521926506116365952015-06-07T16:58:09.538-04:002015-06-07T16:58:09.538-04:00We all get the argument, the earth aught to be coo...We all get the argument, the earth aught to be cooling but is isn't. Is that right? Co2 forcing is haulting a natural cooling cycle...not that that assertion follows the trend line, but OK. So here's the point, take it or leave it: if the earth is supposed to cool but isn't, and we have "registered a .2C increase over the last 30 ish years which does follow the trend line over the last couple hundred years...where is the catastrophy? Why should anyone care about a non issue? Please for the love of god tell me why?owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-6570432001629866632015-06-07T16:50:04.837-04:002015-06-07T16:50:04.837-04:00Look it up. Who funded the Club of Romes first pub...Look it up. Who funded the Club of Romes first publication, follow the money. Now we are in an era where the IPCC will be part of a global "governing body" and hapless shills like yourself who are too foolish to see political mechanisms have helped to push that agenda. Only Canada and the Australia are on the outside at this point. Now a global governing body has a financial base. Policy and enforcement to follow. Those of us who well understand the politics have known this all along. You might try tuning into Alex Jones now and again.owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-11433494060687612492015-06-07T16:06:54.117-04:002015-06-07T16:06:54.117-04:00Its so silly, if the warming do to Co2 forcing neg...Its so silly, if the warming do to Co2 forcing negated damaging cooling, to give us a stable cycle, just hypothically speaking... Where is the catastrophy? Logicowen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-16959633896779858502015-06-07T16:01:09.806-04:002015-06-07T16:01:09.806-04:00Actually Christopher, yours is the false argument....Actually Christopher, yours is the false argument. The above poster has made the better point, which you will not agree with despite its logical foundation. Simply put, ARGO does not have the coverage nor depth resolution to make any sort of claim on a warming or cooling ocean, it has registered a slight warming which is akin to .5C over 100 years and there's absolutely know way to verify this claim as the target is in constant motion. As well, the land based historical record lacks coverage(as is explained in all Hadcrut iterations) as well the raw data prior 1990 was lost in a move. So no luck there, we cannot verify the voracity if the adjustments because the raw does not exist and we haven't even begin to discuss issues surrounding instrumentation. Now we look at satellite data which experiences passing coverage and a rather large error margin compared to surface devices. Now let's attempt to predict the see ice extent in both the Arctic and Antarctica, its a shame we have no instruments to accomplish this prediction, however we do have physics, and maths which also come with a large degree of fallibility. Now what are we left with? The forcing of Co2? If its the primary driver of temp as you have said several times...where is the warming? Do you think you might locate it with ARGO...what was the resolution again? Also you find if you revisit the maths on resonant feedbacks you will find a shocker there I'm sure. As I said months ago, your math is wrong. A paper will be released on the matter so. It will be peer reviewed and you will have your chance to argue against it. One more thing, the CAGW argument hinges on catastrophic warming, without warming...isn't the negative proven? Logic. I'll leave you to the crickets I hear following in the wake of your 15 minutes of fame.owen suppesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-13334371390499646412015-05-11T17:18:53.106-04:002015-05-11T17:18:53.106-04:00Bubby the energy trapped by CO₂ comes primarily fr...Bubby the energy trapped by CO₂ comes primarily from the sun.<br /><br />CO₂ is not a <i>source</i> of energy, in and of itself.<br /><br />If you don't understand the <i>basics</i> of the topic you're attempting to discuss, why would you have such a strong opinion about it?<br /><br />"During the day, the Sun shines through the atmosphere. Earth's surface warms up in the sunlight. At night, Earth's surface cools, releasing the heat back into the air. But some of the heat is trapped by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. That's what keeps our Earth a warm and cozy 59 degrees Fahrenheit, on average."<br /><br />climatekids.nasa.gov/review/greenhouse-effectCBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-47111009116814362302015-05-09T18:35:12.034-04:002015-05-09T18:35:12.034-04:00Why in the world would you think I am not familiar...Why in the world would you think I am not familiar with Bacon's idols of the mind? By the way, assuming something about me without any knowledge of the fact would would fall under idols of the cave.Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-52001152763939342862015-05-09T18:15:07.478-04:002015-05-09T18:15:07.478-04:00take the course and learn about Bacon's idols ...take the course and learn about Bacon's idols of the mind. You seem to have fallen victim to several.TomHarrisICSCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-70886871087688147332015-05-09T17:32:44.764-04:002015-05-09T17:32:44.764-04:00How ludicrous! Irrational? You are traveling the r...How ludicrous! Irrational? You are traveling the road from ridiculous to just plain absurd. Denier speak at work. Where's the science to support your claims?Christopher Keatinghttp://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-66875517186782054222015-05-09T17:25:04.309-04:002015-05-09T17:25:04.309-04:00Professor Goldman spoke with me on the phone and h...Professor Goldman spoke with me on the phone and he agreed that the claims made by DAGW activists to "know" what is happening are irrational, philosophically. I wrote about this in the press, if you do a search. Here is one: http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/tomball/opinion/tom-harris-taming-the-climate-debate/article_3b75159e-7d0b-11e4-82bf-9388a6927b3b.htmlTomHarrisICSCnoreply@blogger.com