tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post879156260549473986..comments2023-05-16T11:33:40.343-04:00Comments on Dialogues On Global Warming: Voodude: The World Is CoolingTales From The Travelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12155749992445168195noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-12225883999277630422015-05-31T08:49:03.517-04:002015-05-31T08:49:03.517-04:00Dr Roy Spencer said so, in his blog postings. But...Dr Roy Spencer said so, in his blog postings. But, in a more recent blog post, (June of last year) he said that the UAH lower troposphere Version 6 will reduce the difference between the UAH and RSS data.<br /><i>”As we finish up our new Version 6 of the UAH dataset, it looks like our anomalies in the 2nd half of the satellite record will be slightly cooler, somewhat more like the RSS dataset. •••”</i><br /><br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/06/uah-global-temperature-update-for-may-2014-0-33-deg-c/<br /><br />and here it is, Version 6.0 beta: http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0beta/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0beta1Voodudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-32092122250639867252015-05-31T01:00:34.094-04:002015-05-31T01:00:34.094-04:00Hey, at least Dr. Keating got a gazillion upvotes ...Hey, at least Dr. Keating got a gazillion upvotes because of it.nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-39780963126785062862015-05-31T01:00:08.320-04:002015-05-31T01:00:08.320-04:00How long does it take you to figure out that perfo...How long does it take you to figure out that performing all your fancy mathematical tests on cherry-picked data gives you cherry-picked conclusions that have no worth?nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-59491767702713818132015-05-31T00:58:39.462-04:002015-05-31T00:58:39.462-04:00By the way, do you know that the RSS has been foun...By the way, do you know that the RSS has been found to be exhibiting a cooling bias due to its orbital mechanics?nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-8444560324577731862015-05-31T00:58:08.611-04:002015-05-31T00:58:08.611-04:00Then why should we trust you with the statistics?Then why should we trust you with the statistics?nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-52781942050745807252015-05-31T00:57:12.341-04:002015-05-31T00:57:12.341-04:00That's you. Only you can't even tell troll...That's you. Only you can't even tell trolls from deniers. That says something.nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-28179416908053372912015-05-31T00:55:57.251-04:002015-05-31T00:55:57.251-04:00By what you have been posting, no one should even ...By what you have been posting, no one should even consider them.nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-62903217392571014862015-05-31T00:54:51.173-04:002015-05-31T00:54:51.173-04:00I can tell that if this dude has a fever and accid...I can tell that if this dude has a fever and accidentally breaks his thermometer such that it reads 1 C lower than normal, he will claim that he has been cured of his fever.nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-11556047149909793122015-05-31T00:52:51.629-04:002015-05-31T00:52:51.629-04:00Well, sorry. That means your entire argument is in...Well, sorry. That means your entire argument is invalid until you do.<br /><br /><br />Btw, who said the ocean must absorb heat "a percentage for a percentage"?nc6228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-81561866187667391002015-05-30T19:56:13.694-04:002015-05-30T19:56:13.694-04:00You most certainly did pick the end point. You che...You most certainly did pick the end point. You cherry-picked the station as well.Harry Twinotternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-35861709922175284222015-05-30T19:53:55.503-04:002015-05-30T19:53:55.503-04:00Well, go calculate a statistically significant res...Well, go calculate a statistically significant result then get back to us.Harry Twinotternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-32825323938254835482015-05-30T18:41:12.794-04:002015-05-30T18:41:12.794-04:00Trends can be short, or statistically insignifican...Trends can be short, or statistically insignificant, but, a linear regression analysis is an appropriate tool for determining a trend. My criteria is a negative slope, however small. This means "reaching back" as far as possible, which is statistically insignificant ... that doesn't mean that the cooling trend is insignificant (perhaps a shorter span would test out as significant) ... There is a balance, in analyzing temperature trends, with a simple least-squares linear regression. When it comes to a "flat line" - the "pause" or "hiatus" in warming temperatures ... it is difficult to say if a result of +0.000005 is a statically significant "warming" (because it is, after all, positive) ... one could argue that <i>any</i> positive slope is a "warming" ... but, what about a <b>negative</b> slope? I choose to state that <i><b>any</b></i> negative slope is a <i><b>COOLING</b></i> result.Voodudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-58746670244767928852015-05-30T18:36:08.828-04:002015-05-30T18:36:08.828-04:00*sigh* ... The end point is now ... so I didn'...*sigh* ... The end point is <b>now</b> ... so I didn't pick that. The start point is mathematically determined (how far back can the analysis show a cooling trend?). For example, this chart of Califorina shows <b>ZERO</b> cooling trend. When analyzing a temperature time-series, the data either supports a cooling trend, or it does not. Prince Albert supports the cooling trend, State-wide NCDC California, does not:Voodudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-59604915905891757992015-05-30T17:03:34.983-04:002015-05-30T17:03:34.983-04:00You only show a cooling trend because you have che...You only show a cooling trend because you have cherry-picked the start and end points.Harry Twinotternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-79731516652113277082015-05-30T16:55:17.535-04:002015-05-30T16:55:17.535-04:00You don't seem to understand what a trend is. ...You don't seem to understand what a trend is. There is a difference between saying it is cool this month, it does not mean it has been cooling overall.Harry Twinotternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-51251231844878636142015-05-30T13:53:29.971-04:002015-05-30T13:53:29.971-04:00Again, you're refusing to recognize that you&#...Again, you're refusing to recognize that you're blanket condemnation of the UN as being a politically motivated organization, is really a political view in itself.<br /><br /><br />The IPCC, does not cherry pick science, unless you beieve that examining the findings of a large number of studies done by noted authorities on climate change, is somehow an example of bias?<br /><br /><br />I don't know about you, but when I want help with my taxes, I will consult a tax expert. When I need my kidney stones removed I consult a Dr., and when I want someone to advise me on how to build my financial portfolio, I will seek the help of an investment firm. <br /><br /><br />Who do you think the UN should consult in order to become informed about climate change---a carpenter, a beautician, or a denier who deliberately distorts and lies about the findings of esteemed climate scientists?<br /><br /><br />Anyone can, submit scientific research to be peer reviewed, as many contrarians have. But the reason deniers are often refuted by peer reviews, is simply because there are mistakes and flaws in their research! You're free to rely on those with no real understanding of science, or those who deliberately distort it, but I am sticking with those proven authorities who are much more knowledgeable than less eduaated people who attempt to deny man-made global warming. <br /><br /><br />The link you gave was not always easy to understand since meaning might have been lost in the translation from German to English---the grammatical construction of German is not the same as that of English. But the author seemed to be noting the difficulty encountered by trying to get all countries to co-operate. And, the economic changes he described were not alarms about socialism--just the fact that the task we face will not be easy, and it will alter portions of our global economic operations. The fact that less money might go to oil companies and more to those establishing green energy harvests, in on no way necessitates establishing a socialist or Communist system, but it does mean that the forms of energy we rely on in the future will be produced and sustained by using different methods. Capitalism may need to adjust, but it will not end because of renewable fuels, rather there will be new companies to invest in, and new entrepreneurial ventures. If you think this means liberals and tree huggers will rake in the dough, rather than Exxon Mobil---you're wrong, and you are focusing on politics to justify your fears!Peter Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-26561765750783830012015-05-30T12:55:36.798-04:002015-05-30T12:55:36.798-04:00A cooling trend established by examining only one ...A cooling trend established by examining only one year? I don't know it this graph is accurate but it's pretty obvious that when the entire record is graphed, there is a pretty obvious rising temperature trend in California that happened between around 1900 up until the present. And when the graph is read from about 1900 and after, which is the way it is always done, this warming trend cannot help but be observed.<br /><br /><br />Its seems to me that the results you see, must be coming from temperature data and an analysis done of it, on the Bizarro world.Peter Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-26431382068443477652015-05-30T12:17:26.390-04:002015-05-30T12:17:26.390-04:00I don't have a temperature record for Moose Ja...I don't have a temperature record for Moose Jaw either---the point is simply that we DO have long temperature records for many specific cities, towns and areas, therefore we can ABSOLUTELY know if temperatures in them have been rising over time. I said this in response to a letter writer whose letter was published in one of my local newspapers, because he attempted to deny the significance of rising temperatures by implying that, because particular areas now contain more populated cities and towns, with more inhabitants than in the past, this means more records are now available to be collected from all of them them? However, this observation in no way can dispute the temperatures we have for specific cities or towns in the same areas. So even if temperatures in Prince Albert (to use your own example) have been part of a local cooling trend since about 1880) we know this because we are able to look at ITS particular temperature records---as we can also do in just about any other urban location. However, rising or lowering temperature in any one area or locality, do not prove the existance any trend consisting of either rising or lower temperatures---because although Prince Albert might have average yearly temps of say, 50 degrees, (a guess), Australia and India may be simultaneously undergoing terrific heat waves of 110 degrees or more. So how long is it going to take you to understand that (global) warming trends are determined by examining (global) temperature records--for God's sake, not just in Prince Albert or Moose Jaw! This is not a hard concept to grasp, and I don't know why you find it so difficult to understand?Peter Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-1960895124200313632015-05-30T11:28:05.929-04:002015-05-30T11:28:05.929-04:00http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/exxon-cli...http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/exxon-climate-idINL2E8HRA8K20120627Peter Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-50675640841869391622015-05-30T09:04:22.812-04:002015-05-30T09:04:22.812-04:00What is it, with you, and NASA? “Nothing beats a...What is it, with you, and NASA? <i>“Nothing beats an astronaut”</i> ...<br />www.youtube.<b>[DOT]</b>com/watch?v=GBYweb1rUtI<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBYweb1rUtIVoodudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-62856996132498291942015-05-30T02:15:26.011-04:002015-05-30T02:15:26.011-04:00"he is using today as one endpoint, he is sti...<i>"he is using <b>today</b> as one endpoint, he is still selecting the period so it will fit his desired results. "</i><br /><br />The fact that the data even <i>supports</i> my "end results" shows that it is <i><b>COOLING</b></i>. The selected period is just to show that it has been <i><b>COOLING</b></i> since 19XX or 20xx ...<br /><br /> As a counter-example:Voodudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-88608552516646013752015-05-30T02:06:11.777-04:002015-05-30T02:06:11.777-04:00You don't have to be dishonest, you know.
Wha...You don't <i>have</i> to be dishonest, you know.<br /><br />What's stopping you from telling the truth?<br /><br /><br />If everyone knows you're lying, how effective might those lies be?<br /><br />"The year 2014 now ranks as the warmest on record since 1880, according to an analysis by NASA scientists."<br /><br /><br /><br />www.nasa.gov/press/2015/january/nasa-determines-2014-warmest-year-in-modern-recordCBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-89237403821473595102015-05-30T01:04:27.996-04:002015-05-30T01:04:27.996-04:00"when reading the temperature records ... we ...<i>"when reading the temperature records ... we really DO know if ... becoming warmer or colder ... Tuscaloosa, or"</i><br /><br />Alabama, State-wide, has been <b><i>COOLING</i></b> ever since 1895; that’s right, 1895.<br /><br />Alabama, CD 1. Northern Valley <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, CD 2. Appalachian Mountain <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, CD 3. Upper Plains <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, CD 4. Eastern Valley <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, CD 5. Piedmonth Plateau <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, CD 6. Prarie <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, CD 7. Coastal Plain <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, CD 8. Gulf <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1895<br /><br />Alabama, Birmingham <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since the beginning of the record, 1930<br /><br />Alabama, Huntsville’s short record shows it has been <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 1998<br /><br />Alabama, Mobile <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since the beginning of the record, 1948<br /><br />Alabama, Montgomery short record shows it has been <b><i>COOLING</i></b> since 2004Voodudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-3676794360797759122015-05-30T00:41:45.663-04:002015-05-30T00:41:45.663-04:00I don't have a temperature for "Moose Jaw...I don't have a temperature for <i>"Moose Jaw Saskatchewan"</i><br /><br />... but GISS has a station in Prince Albert...<br /><br />http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=403718690000&dt=1&ds=14Voodudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2581891759488770965.post-82425429595330035192015-05-30T00:06:20.556-04:002015-05-30T00:06:20.556-04:00"neutral temperature themselves can neither c...<i>"neutral temperature themselves can neither corroborate nor deny ANY warming or cooling trends?"</i><br /><br />Yeah, they show that the bulk of the earth is <b>perfectly normal</b>, regardless of the CO2 levels exceeding 400ppmv. In the RSS data, the <b>perfectly normal</b> areas of the earth are black.Voodudenoreply@blogger.com