Friday, January 16, 2015
Warming Has Stopped?
Certainly one of the most incredibly false arguments deniers make is that global warming has stopped and there has been no warming for xxx number of years (fill in your value of choice). I have addressed this innumerable times in this blog and this was the very first submission to my global warming challenge. I think its time to hear it again. Take a look at this article that I've provided a link to. It's from the Weather Underground website and is so well written that I don't think I need to add anything to it. I would say 'enjoy,' but there really isn't anything to enjoy with what he says. It's pretty bleak.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html
ReplyDeleteinteresting read.
This is an interesting read. Thank you. It will serve as a pretty nice response to deniers who keep insisting global warming is just a natural cycle. To debunk the 'new ice age' theory, I would just point out the planet experienced the hottest December that has ever been recorded. It would be nice if this ice age would get going and cool things down a little.
ReplyDeleteRead the abstract to the paper they cite. He doesn't say what they claim he says:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7191/full/nature06921.html
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/17/on-the-biases-caused-by-omissions-in-the-2014-noaa-state-of-the-climate-report/
ReplyDeleteThe minute something like the NOAA report comes out, the deniers jump all over it.
Care to take a look?
Bob Tisdale. He starts off with name-calling and insults, then heads off into a Gish Gallop.
ReplyDeleteI do not even bother to read his articles anymore, I have no respect for him.
David Rose.
ReplyDeleteIt is an old article.
"...say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists..." - really? Making up sources is dishonest.
And he repeats the out-of-context claim from Dr David Viner about snow.
If they bring up the 'new ice age' thing with me, I just say "yep, any decade now".
ReplyDeleteIs the Independent not a reliable source?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
That article appeared in 2000 - 15 years ago. What we have seen since then is the snow pack has steadily decreased, magnifying the effects of droughts. Rain runs off and is lost. Snow pack melts slowly, producing rain long after winter has come to an end. Many areas of the world are seeing rain when they used to see snow. Dr. Viner may have been a little dramatic, but record shows the snow pack data is supporting his claims.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to produce one article to support climate change denial, the immediate question is why did you ignore all of the thousands of articles that got it right?
But, in any event, his statement in a newspaper article 15 years ago is irrelevant, one way or another. Science is not dependent on what a newspaper reports.
Read the whole article. I am not sure what Dr Viner meant exactly, but I suspect he was talking about the future. The headline does not match the article, you can sometimes blame headline editors for that.
ReplyDelete"Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."
I understand what you said, but I don't see that the "snow pack steadily decreased" - not at all. It varies from year to year, but "steadily" anything is BS, by my research.
ReplyDeleteI will give you that one. You are correct. I misspoke and should have said the trend line is steadily decreasing.
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